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Banshee
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« on: September 11, 2017, 01:25:15 AM »

Double Header this weekend!

PE7 (Registration Closes 15 SEP 10:00 am)
https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/ovr-points-event-7-national-trail-raceway-scca-ohio-valley-solo-385357

PE8 (Registration Closes 15 SEP 10:00 am)
https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/ovr-points-event-8-national-trail-raceway-scca-ohio-valley-solo-663580
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2017, 08:22:26 AM »

The wife and I are registered for both already.  See everyone there.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2017, 08:42:16 AM »

Anyone interested in having yours truly as a co-driver for Sunday's event?

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2017, 08:43:40 AM »

You read my mind.  Do you have any interest in co-driving the Thunderbird?
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2017, 08:32:56 PM »

Also, you could show me how to drive it.  It's cool if you're not interested though.  I could understand that.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2017, 08:17:41 AM »

No, sorry, just busy. Thunderbird it is!

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2017, 09:08:55 AM »

reg'd for sunday! busy weekend but looking forward to fun with cars and friends on sunday Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2017, 02:01:07 PM »

Anyone interested in having yours truly as a co-driver for Sunday's event?
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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2017, 10:24:49 PM »

Anyone interested in having yours truly as a co-driver for Sunday's event?

Geez, does anyone around here actually own a car anymore?  Bunch of mooches.

PS. I'm driving Rich's car cause I'm a mooch 
PPS.  if I actually owned one at the moment I'd jump at the opportunity to learn something from Eric.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2017, 06:29:55 AM »

Eric your welcome to drive with me in an HS sentra.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2017, 06:52:53 AM »

Eric, my Mustang could use a co-driver. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2017, 05:16:26 PM »

As far as times go, today wasn't good for us.  Used our street tires, and ranged over 7 psi up and down, and couldn't find grip hardly anywhere, except for a brief part of straight road, not coming from a sweeper..lol
Tomorrow, I think we will try our luck with the Type R, and see how she does.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2017, 05:44:16 PM »

You were definitely off today.  I guess I didn't realize what tires you were running.  Love that car though.
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2017, 05:57:49 PM »

With all the rocks out there, we have been running street tires last 2-3 events. Had more rocks on the tire than rubber. LOL doesn't make for good traction. Low and behold, someone brought out a street sweeper, cleaned up the rocks, and put down geese, hence to goose crap..
It is still is a fun car, just trying to moderate the gas pedal today was futile. Just an extra 1/8 pedal caused the back end to try and change places with the front end, no matter what pressures we ran. 16 runs between Lori and I, and still couldn't get a solid run.  But, we did have fun, car is still running, have all of our valve stems, and we didn't run over any timing boxes...LOL
How did the wife do today?
And at least you got some practice in before Aaron beats your times..

BTW, Thank you!
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2017, 06:01:49 PM »

I can definitely identify with the keeping the back and front on the right side.  The T-Bird seemed to have some traction issues today too but I generally chalk that up to my poor driving.

I guess rock-studded tires definitely don't help the situation.  You're right though, keeping valve stems and not hitting the finish line timer is definitely a win.  Cheesy
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2017, 06:14:42 PM »

16 runs without breaking is the best the 944 has done since June. Only tried to hit the timing lights a few times, never succeeded. About all we could ask for from today.
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2017, 06:18:50 PM »

Lowered my tires a good 5psi over usual events, helped some... Just a controlled slide 90% of the time.

Thank you to all the OVR volunteers, great event, fun course, beautiful weather, and seeing friends makes for a memorable day! Sorry I won't be hiking back down tomorrow actually.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2017, 06:41:13 PM »

Fun course today.  Many thanks to the workers and organizers.

I couldn't put together a good run.  Four runs within .4, only 1 was clean. Different mistakes every time.  Course punished you for over driving, and I was punished a lot.
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2017, 07:13:38 PM »

Photos from the 2nd run group.

http://s1077.photobucket.com/user/jerry9789/library/OVR%20PE7%202017
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2017, 07:16:25 PM »

My favorite.


http://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w475/jerry9789/OVR%20PE7%202017/IMGP1844_zpsladzh9av.jpg
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2017, 07:24:17 PM »

^^ I may regret asking, any heat 1 photos? Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2017, 08:11:29 PM »


It won't let others look directly at individual photos.  Photobucket isn't what it used to be, so I deleted my account.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2017, 08:12:18 PM »

^^ I may regret asking, any heat 1 photos? Smiley

Sorry, you went too fast for the cameras...go slower next time..LOL
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2017, 09:40:37 PM »

Oh yeah, Greg.  The wife kicked ass today.  The GS is a big heavy vehicle and she knocked off tenths on every run and finished the day with 42.657.  Considering the tires are just summer tires and are almost bald now, the car weighs literally 2 tons and it's her first year doing anything like, she's doing awesome.  She finally slid the entire car through some turns and recovered very well.  After the season I'm going to get her a real car.  Then she'll be able to kick my ass on every event with ease.  Cry
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2017, 09:43:43 PM »

^^ I may regret asking, any heat 1 photos? Smiley

Sorry, you went too fast for the cameras...go slower next time..LOL
Let me drive. Plenty of photo opps.
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2017, 10:20:21 PM »

Oh yeah, Greg.  The wife kicked ass today.  The GS is a big heavy vehicle and she knocked off tenths on every run and finished the day with 42.657.  Considering the tires are just summer tires and are almost bald now, the car weighs literally 2 tons and it's her first year doing anything like, she's doing awesome.  She finally slid the entire car through some turns and recovered very well.  After the season I'm going to get her a real car.  Then she'll be able to kick my ass on every event with ease.  Cry
Glad she did well, hopefully she is hooked and comes out more often.
Don't worry about it. The wife beats me on occasion, and well, Rich is the opposite, he beats Kathy on RARE occasions...LOL

^^ I may regret asking, any heat 1 photos? Smiley

Sorry, you went too fast for the cameras...go slower next time..LOL
Let me drive. Plenty of photo opps.

Psshh, I am in the same boat as you brother!
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« Reply #26 on: September 16, 2017, 10:26:24 PM »

Results are up...
http://ovr-scca.org/results/autocross/
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2017, 05:26:27 PM »

Results are up for PE8.  That was fast!!  Same link as above this post
Let Connor(Fender0122) know if anything is messed up...
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2017, 05:42:33 PM »

Well, The maiden autocross voyage for the Type R wasn't too bad.  Sorry "just a civic"..
For us, it is tough going from a rear wheel, rear engine drive car, to a front engine, front wheel drive car. Not only that, going from a Naturally aspirated car, with near instant torque, to a turbo'ed car is different also. Naturally braking points and modulation is different, as well as throttle on points and modulation is different.  It was nice to be able to press the gas more than 1/8 of an inch, and not have to worry about the back end coming around. But, lack of traction, was only yesterday's event. Never had an issue before, even as bad as the rocks were... Maybe it was just the layout, with the sharp kinks, that I couldn't get down a solid run that I said to myself, "I am proud of that run".
So, it didn't do too bad. We wanted to get under 40.000 today, but it wasn't there today. As it is a stock car, and not a BSP car, and Alan says it might be in BS.  The Type R is a very capable car, just have to learn it. Might bring both the GT3 and the Type R for the Fun event, and see which one is faster on that course, in those conditions, for that day.
We had a lot of fun, so that is the main thing.
Lori beat me yesterday, I beat her today. She still did well, except for kicking that cone with her ass today, on the last run... :-P
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« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2017, 05:46:00 PM »

It was definitely fun today but the track was a little slippery for just about everyone it seems.

The T-Bird definitely did better today.  Aaron gave me some pointers and lessons on the car that definitely help.  I still have a good amount to learn but it was a good day. 

Thanks again Aaron.
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2017, 08:13:24 PM »

Good seeing everyone this weekend; seems like it had been awhile. Friday night, thinking about the early mornings and effort of the upcoming weekend, it seemed like a hassle. But in the end, running around cones with you guys is pretty cool, and I needed a break from the every day. A couple nice events, good job.
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« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2017, 08:41:44 PM »

It was definitely fun today but the track was a little slippery for just about everyone it seems.

The T-Bird definitely did better today.  Aaron gave me some pointers and lessons on the car that definitely help.  I still have a good amount to learn but it was a good day. 

Thanks again Aaron.

Aaron has helped me more times than I can count over the past 5 years. Even kicking my butt in my own car has helped too! Wish I had the natural talent that a lot of the drivers in our region has. But as my memory isn't the best, I still have issue remember the line in the course, let alone drive it on every single corner, as soon as I hit the driver seat. Tried making a diagram before to see if it would help. It isn't as hard as it used to be though.

So, some of the issues we had is with the scanner, especially in the sun, with convertibles, and a coating over the barcodes. Do they have a better scanner out there that is more reliable, and maybe a better transmitter power output that could alleviate the hiccups we had?
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2017, 09:35:09 PM »


Aaron has helped me more times than I can count over the past 5 years. Even kicking my butt in my own car has helped too! Wish I had the natural talent that a lot of the drivers in our region has. But as my memory isn't the best, I still have issue remember the line in the course, let alone drive it on every single corner, as soon as I hit the driver seat. Tried making a diagram before to see if it would help. It isn't as hard as it used to be though.

I'll take all of the help I can get.  I appreciate any and all tips that any of you can give me even when I can't turn them into results.  Everyone has been really nice and helpful.  Tami and I have learned a lot and we are both definitely hooked.  We finally found that thing that we both really enjoy.

So, some of the issues we had is with the scanner, especially in the sun, with convertibles, and a coating over the barcodes. Do they have a better scanner out there that is more reliable, and maybe a better transmitter power output that could alleviate the hiccups we had?

If they're open to ideas then I'm happy to look out for maybe a better scanner.  I'll do some looking for them.
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2017, 10:18:15 PM »

OK Connor, in honor of your sense of humor, I have changed the name of my caR in MSREG and on here...you have corrupted me...
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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2017, 10:37:21 PM »

My best recorded run from Saturday, about .3 slower than my best...

https://youtu.be/dwQ14piKduE

First time Top PAX ever for me... (probably should thank Aaron & Eric for not coming out) (ok... Ok.... And about 8-10 other people)
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2017, 10:28:02 AM »

Super fun day! It was amazing weather. Thanks all for a super fun event, and special thanks (and congrats!!!) to JD who not only kicked all our butts yesterday with a TOP PAX finish, but ALSO worked not only his worker chief gig but also worked as the starter for the other heat since we were a little low on workers!  Huh
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« Reply #36 on: September 18, 2017, 10:41:03 AM »

It's a $800 scanner, the same they've used at nationals in the past. Quality of the scanner is not the issue.

Earlier this year we believed we had issues with the battery packs not holding a charge, which hurt our range. we fixed that problem and discovered we still couldn't get reliable transmissions, we proved out this weekend that the issue appears to be with the trailer itself blocking signal. Sunday we made certain that the staging area for start was facing the rear of the trailer and that the scanner received was positioned close to the rear opening. The scanner worked perfectly all day.

The first problem we had at the very start of the event Sunday was with the timing software. It crashed and when that happens you have to set AxWare to receive signal from the scanner to Stage cars again. We fixed that and were great until we got about halfway through first runs at which point a car did not scan and caused times to get out of order, a short pause to figure out what car didn't scan and a quick fix and we were back to running with a short 2 minute pause.

2nd runs came around and again, the same car did not scan in. It was at this point we determined that the reason was that an SCCA member had let their membership lapse for more than a year before renewing. This means you get a new member number associated with you and requires a new barcode. They had not gotten a new barcode and so AxWare was trying to lookup their old number in the system and could not associate it with a car entered in the event. We printed off a new barcode and everything went smoothly from then on.


The scanner works fine in direct sunlight. The cardboard shroud is not necessary at all. The problem is that it's somewhat finicky about placement and it takes a while for someone who has never done it before to get distance just right.

We are going to either look into an external antennae, or find a way to mount the receiver on the outside of the trailer where it will not be obstructed by the trailer walls
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« Reply #37 on: September 18, 2017, 01:10:52 PM »

I'm pretty sure the national staff uses a external antenna that sits on top of the trailer window cover / awning. I've scanned many events and only have had issues with batteries dying.
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« Reply #38 on: September 18, 2017, 01:17:19 PM »

^^^ Agreed Eric, that is what I've seen done, line of sight is best and receiver needs to be outside the trailer/toby.
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« Reply #39 on: September 18, 2017, 05:25:49 PM »

It's a $800 scanner....

OK, cool.  I did a little basic research and figured you had to have something better than what I found.  Unfortunately there are a lot of things that can interfere with wireless signals so I figured you would have a bead on that.  I'm willing to help if you want/need it.  I want to get to know the group better before I just try to push my way in but I work in IT also so maybe there are some things where I can be of use.
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« Reply #40 on: September 18, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »

OK, thank you for the clarification. Do you have a contact to find out which antenna they use? What frequency? As I work on electronics for the Army, usually you need a "matching unit" to tune the antenna to the frequency being used. If it isn't specifically for that frequency range, you can reduce the range, or get a high VSWR back into the transmitter, if a transmitter was connected to the antenna. Which could disable the transmitting circuits, or fry it if too much wattage is sent back into it.
Being it is only a receiver, range would be reduced.
I am sure we have a lot of experience in a wide variety of fields, so you guys don't have to go at it alone.
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« Reply #41 on: September 18, 2017, 10:22:46 PM »

We definitely appreciate all the help, I don't want to try to take that away from anyone. I've had 4 people reach out about the scanner between yesterday and today and I love that people are interested in helping out. In this case I think the hardware is good, our issue is with reception.

The scanner is a Power Scan PBT8300 AutoRange. Supposedly it has a 300 foot range, but it's absolutely line of sight based. Not sure if there is the possibility of an external antenna other than the base station. The cord will reach just to the back of the trailer countertop. My thought would be to mount a pole to the outside of the trailer then mount the scanner on that to elevate it above the trailer. We could run the cord outside the window or through the "cord hole" we cut into the bottom. That way even if scanner is at the bottom towards the bleachers we should still have line of sight on it.

The other option would be to just make a mount point on every side of the trailer and run the cord out the hole in the floor and underneath the trailer to the required closest mounting point to the start area
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« Reply #42 on: September 18, 2017, 11:39:58 PM »

Philly SCCA's solution was to put the receiver on a free standing pole with extension cords so it can basically be placed anywhere, usually right where the scanner operator is standing. Setup is visible at the end of this video, receiver pole on the left side of the screen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAovaqvx34w&feature=youtu.be&t=62 (should start at 1:02).

Also, currently uploading some videos, including our multiple attempts at destroying the timing lights saturday.
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« Reply #43 on: September 19, 2017, 09:23:19 AM »

I was the scanner operator for group one on Sunday. Some feedback: consistent placement of barcodes is helpful. When they were on the same place on the helmet consistently, as most were, it was easier to get in a rhythm. When they were placed in an odd spot, particularly on the bodywork of the car, it was harder to get the angle right. There were a couple on the top or back of the helmet that were also tricky. Also, holding your head still helps! If you move your head thinking you are helping just as I was getting things lined up, I'd have to start all over again. I did notice that in the afternoon runs that it was harder to see the laser light. Not sure if it was going out or if the angle of the sun was making it harder to see.

Did the operator for the second group have the same trouble I did? If not, maybe it was just the operator... Cheesy
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« Reply #44 on: September 19, 2017, 10:09:08 AM »

Haha I'm glad you got a kick out of it, Greg. Hope people don't mind I periodically make some changes  Grin

I'm glad we gave the scanner a try again and can hopefully make it fool proof. One thing I realized I need to do is stick around the computer for all the cars first runs. All it takes is one car like this weekend to knock things out of whack, so I'll even try to run through grid before people start to check bar codes.

As far as placement on helmets vs bodywork, most of the bar codes on cars are people who are using loaner helmets. But yea, the rear quarter or wind screen of a Miata doesn't work too well. We used to put the codes on cards, but inevitably they would blow out the window or people would lose them.
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« Reply #45 on: September 19, 2017, 10:30:30 AM »

^^^ Connor, the other solution I have found for barcodes so that they are EASILY accessible for weekend members and/or those without dedicated helmets... barcode stuck to their WAIVER BAND... has to be worn, typically on the left/outside hand, sticks well. At a few NWOR events and national events when GM brought 16 drivers to an event, they were swapping some cars, some swapping helmets, etc etc... I suggested that, and it worked well for them.
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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2017, 11:17:32 AM »

Not on the topic of barcode scanners, but perhaps you'll still enjoy it. Always make sure that your GoPro is really stuck to the side of the car (and please ignore my horribly wide line):

https://youtu.be/xr8D4T8YZkM
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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2017, 12:43:31 PM »

Not on the topic of barcode scanners, but perhaps you'll still enjoy it. Always make sure that your GoPro is really stuck to the side of the car (and please ignore my horribly wide line):

https://youtu.be/xr8D4T8YZkM

Good stuff.  I was the captain on that corner and we saw it before it could get run over.  Glad it appears to have continued working after the hard fall.  Looks like a good product.
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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2017, 03:24:39 PM »

Brian, sounds like a great idea! We'll give it a try!
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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2017, 04:19:35 PM »

any thoughts on season points Connor? Smiley
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