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« on: September 19, 2017, 10:09:17 PM »

So, the wife is very hooked into this whole thing.  The GS is a nice car but it's never going to be good at this.  There is definitely room to improve technique but she'll never be "fast" in that car.  So, my original plan was to move over to a 2011-2014 Subaru Impreza WRX STi.  However, she doesn't know how to drive a car with a manual transmission.  I've tried to convince her that she can learn and that, in order to be fast, she'll need to learn it.  But, the entire purpose for doing this is so that she can get more enjoyment out of this whole thing.  If I force her into a car where she's not comfortable, I may end up losing her altogether.

So, I've done my homework and, considering that I have to drive this as a daily driver and I also need it be able to backup the family vehicle, I've settled on a second choice of a 2011-2014 BMW 335i xDrive.  It weights a couple hundred pounds more than the WRX but it also has a lot more power in real life.  There are also plenty of things to be upgraded in the future as well.  The twin turbo inline 6 cylinder is a solid, reliable engine from all I've seen.

Which would you choose?  Thoughts and opinions are welcome.
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2017, 11:14:50 PM »

The BMW isn't going to be any more competitive in its class than the GS. If it needs to be an auto, and you want it to be fun and competitive in its class and somewhat affordable, there is really only one choice. A VW GTI with DSG transmission.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2017, 05:52:00 AM »

OK, that's good to know.  I'm hesitant on the German vehicles because they are notorious about the maintenance costs and higher requirements for their specs on parts and supplies.  I think I've got her more in line with the STi and learning to drive a stick but I wanted to make sure I wasn't driving her towards something she will give up on before we even get started.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2017, 07:02:32 AM »

Those are some of the reasons we went with a Focus ST instead of a GTI a few years ago when we were buying a car that would serve as a daily driver for my wife and an autocross car for me (it replaced a Mustang GT, NB Miata, and Fusion that we sold). My wife is generally fine with a stick, has been driving them for 30+ years, and likes them for everything but rush hour traffic. Unfortunately her commute ended up putting her into rush hour C'bus traffic almost every day, so we ended up selling the FoST after a couple of years and getting her a boring transportation appliance to commute in (still kinda wish we had gotten a DSG GTI instead of the FoST, as we'd probably still have it).

If you can teach her how to drive a manual transmission, that would be ideal, as it opens up so many more choices, for fun, fast, competitive autocross cars. So many of the sportier versions of cars today are manual only. Good luck!
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2017, 07:56:05 AM »

Camaro AT sounds like it fits your needs on paper if you can deal with the rest of it in the real world. Turbo 4 and V8 are both competitive in their respective street classes and the 8 speed auto is supposed to be very good.
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2017, 09:08:03 AM »

I for sure think you should at least give it a whirl on trying to teach her stick before purchasing anything
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and on a car where it isn't SCARY... if you have access to one..  Aaron started to try teaching me 13 years ago on his brand new STi.. um.. no...
but something like a civic or a fiesta are just the right spot to do it... that said I don't have access of a lower horse power manual vehicle to let you have a whirl on...
my old legacy would have been a good one, my STi clutch engagement point is a bit tricky...

side note.. the BMW is also german Wink

When i was buying my most recent car a few months ago it was between a BMW 340i x Drive, Audi A4 or the STi (these were the only new model manual all wheel drive cars that exist)
we went with the STi for ease of maint and such.

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2017, 09:25:06 AM »

Thanks all for the ideas. I was definitely aware that BMW is German. I wasn't very clear in my earlier post. I have the same maintenance concerns for it as I do for the Volkswagen. In fact, I have fewer concerns about the BMW because I have a good friend who is a BMW guy.

Good point about the powerful car and it being manual. The only manual cars that I've ever driven are the low end cars as well as trucks. I guess we'll need to do some test drives to see what we think.

Thanks again.
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2017, 09:58:32 AM »

Look at the 3rd car in PAX from Saturday's event... it was an automatic... and not German. Cheesy  I'd think it would be a fine choice and a good DD as needed.... (spoiler alert: 2010 Evolution w/ paddle shift)

http://ovr-scca.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/pe7_pax_2017-9-16.htm
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2017, 10:01:51 AM »

We've actually talked about that one. They are harder to find though. I'll add it to the list. Thanks.
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2017, 10:15:39 AM »

The BMW isn't going to be any more competitive in its class than the GS. If it needs to be an auto, and you want it to be fun and competitive in its class and somewhat affordable, there is really only one choice. A VW GTI with DSG transmission.

This.  GTI Performance Package (or whatever it's called now) with a DSG. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 12:38:52 PM »

The BMW isn't going to be any more competitive in its class than the GS. If it needs to be an auto, and you want it to be fun and competitive in its class and somewhat affordable, there is really only one choice. A VW GTI with DSG transmission.

This.  GTI Performance Package (or whatever it's called now) with a DSG. 

This ^   
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 01:21:19 PM »

I can't say enough positive things about my first 7500 miles with my DSG GTI.  It's a '17 Sport model, which is basically the base model with Performance Pack (big brakes, +10hp, LSD) and the lighting pack (HID).  It doesn't have leather, sunroof, extra safety nannies, etc that are stupid and worthless.  '17 is the only year of the Sport model, and finding an S model with performance pack on other years is nearly impossible.

I was forced into the DSG because of a nasty daily commute, but it is a legitimately fun transmission in Sport mode.  It rev match downshifts during braking, holds gears when there is steering input, and is obviously super quick to change gears.  I never use the paddles because there is little reason to. Oh, and it has averaged over 30mpg since new.

Haven't autocrossed it yet, although recent results show it is more competitive than my "autocross" car  Sad  It certainly feels fairly neutral and balanced.  It drives like a miata compared to the Mazdaspeed3 I had.
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 01:54:31 PM »

OK, so I'm looking at all of the ideas thrown out there.  Simi's point about the manual transmission in a powerful car for a first timer is the most helpful so far.

All of the other ideas have got me doing my homework and they bring up a lot of questions.

The Golf R is the best when it comes to power:weight ratio.  It definitely has the most power based on it's light weight.  It's also one of the most expensive and smallest cars.

The Lancer Evo weighs almost exactly the same as the 335i xDrive and the 335 has more power.  Honestly, what's the real difference there?  I know all about the twin turbo six cylinder in the 335 and how it's listed power specs are actually below what it's known to put out on the dyno (via a friend and other internet research).  The big benefit of the 335 is that it has a lot of torque that comes in early while it has a lot of horsepower in the upper RPM range where it's useful.  It also has a good base for upgrades.  The Evo is nice but one of our members even hinted at the longer term reliability questions for Mitsubishi.  I'm handy (e.g. the Thunderbird I built/rebuilt) but I'm not too interested in spending a lot of my spare time and money keeping my daily driver running just so that we have a kick ass car for 10-12 events per year.

Simi's point about the manual transmission considerations notwithstanding, the Subaru feels like the no-brainer here.  The platform is pretty well known and everything I've heard about the reliability of it has been pretty good.

I guess lots of test driving is in order.  In the end I can drive just about anything (again, see Thunderbird) but I have to make sure my wife is appropriately enthused about it.  She made something that was kinda fun to do into a life/relationship altering hobby.  If mama ain't happy.....
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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2017, 03:02:28 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2017, 03:50:47 PM »

  She made something that was kinda fun to do into a life/relationship altering hobby.

Love this! At some point at an event we'll have to chat about how you convinced her to even run in the first place!  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 06:17:34 PM »

Well, I would say, choose a car that meets your needs, and is fun. While many of our cars can be competitive, I am not. Yes, it is nice to win and all, it is not my reason for starting to autocross. Fun is my main reason. However, now that I have grown to know a lot of the drivers, I seem to not keep my mouth shut...(ask Lori, she will tell you)Like your T-Bird and our GT3, trying to find grip can be fun and frustrating. So, I will tell you what Aaron told me back in 2013 during the drivers school. "You should start with something low powered, and get to learn from a vehicle that is more controllable, then move up later, if you want to be competitive".(Obviously, I chose the fun route, instead of the competitive route) You can learn the lines better and not have to worry as much with a lot of gas modulation, then hard on the brakes..rinse repeat. But then again, that is part of the experience.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 07:11:54 PM »

I would hit the easy button and do a GTI w/Performance Package. Gets you a real front diff that is yuge on big national style corners and the car is quite clearly underrated on power from the factory. The DSG clutches are also more robust and withstand ProSolo launches much better as well as live longer on the street if you up the boost. Manual clutches are good for stock power and that's it. Doesn't hurt that GS PAX is incredibly soft. The guy who finished second this year at Nationals is a good friend and while a good driver, he had no business being that close to a jacket. The real diff is magical and IMO it's a much better GS car versus the FoST, it just gives up some scoot out of the slower corners due to falling out of the power band.
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 09:08:11 PM »

  She made something that was kinda fun to do into a life/relationship altering hobby.

Love this! At some point at an event we'll have to chat about how you convinced her to even run in the first place!  Grin

It didn't take a lot.  I think she just needed a nudge.  You'll have to ask her at the next event.

Now she just needs to build the confidence and she'll continue to get better.  I want her to have a better car than what we have for these things because she does enjoy it.  She really wants to compete with Tonya but she'll need a car that's closer.  Since we only hand out trophies for the major groupings in OVR versus the actual lettered classes, she's going to need to something that could at least be competitive if she wants a chance.  She does still need to get more experience and develop some skill but that will come along as she learns and gets more confidence.  The biggest thing she needs IMO is to be able to drive the car with confidence by herself.  She's developed too much dependency on me and others to ride with her to push her.  The weight savings alone will give her a couple tenths at least.  Grin
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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 09:30:48 PM »

Selfishly, I'll miss seeing the big Lexus running around the cones. It moves a lot faster than it used to.
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 08:23:24 AM »

Selfishly, I'll miss seeing the big Lexus running around the cones. It moves a lot faster than it used to.

Yep, it definitely got faster.  Tami has done a lot of learning this year and I hope to put her in a position where she's more satisfied with her results.  She's made some great strides in learning to control and push the car.  Now that's she's driven a barge, I think a speedboat will make her a little happier.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 11:21:04 AM »

I would keep the GS for a driver, but look for something older and used for auto-x.  An older GTI or WRX,  Or maybe a C5 vette, best of both worlds.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 12:07:31 PM »

I am biased but I would vote the Evo X. I have the SE model which they only made in 2010 but it is the lightest with the dual clutch trans. The other with the auto trans would be the MR. I have owned multiple bmws and things always break including sensors, window regulators etc depending on generation and model. I still have a BMW now so I'm willing to deal with the repair aspect for the driving experience. those 335 bmws also chew through turbos which are expensive.

The evo is not as daily driver friendly as an sti in terms of ride comfort and seats but does have a no third pedal option. That was why I ended up buying it.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 01:11:52 PM »

I am biased but I would vote the Evo X. I have the SE model which they only made in 2010 but it is the lightest with the dual clutch trans. The other with the auto trans would be the MR. I have owned multiple bmws and things always break including sensors, window regulators etc depending on generation and model. I still have a BMW now so I'm willing to deal with the repair aspect for the driving experience. those 335 bmws also chew through turbos which are expensive.

The evo is not as daily driver friendly as an sti in terms of ride comfort and seats but does have a no third pedal option. That was why I ended up buying it.

The challenge with the Evo is a combination of rarity (at this point) and questions about reliability.  I haven't heard much about it's reliability.

I have heard about the BMW needing turbo rebuilds at 70k-80k miles.  That is certainly a big concern which is back to the whole German car thing.  I've heard not many good things about Volkswagen reliability as well.  I've generally heard good things about Subaru reliability but there is the learning curve there.  This thread has provided a lot of insight so we've got some test driving to do and some things to consider for sure.
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 02:07:33 PM »

From someone who just shopped for a car that can compete on a national level...

The STI has terrible gearing which will require a lot of shifting into 3rd and is not competitive in B street. Ask Simi.

The WRX is competitive in D street.  2 out of the top 4 at nationals.

The Evo MR has a pretty bad automatic in it and is not competitive in street.  Ask Andrew and Dana.

The Golf R is nice and a lot of fun but not competitive in B street.  Ask me.

The only competitive BMWs are the 1M, M2, and M3 (e90) in B and F street.

The GTI with the diff is competitive in G street.


The best cars with an automatic for autox are the new Mustang, Camaro, GTI, and GT3.  I'll try to think of more.


Here is the 2017 list of car classing.
https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/037/724/2017-8-25-appendix-A-automobile-classes.pdf?1503699267
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 02:12:11 PM »

Very interesting. Even more to think about. More options though and some very good ones too. Thanks.
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 02:40:04 PM »

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned the base WRX yet.

Some other advice: you at least implied that you wanted to get her into something less barge-y and more confidence inspiring. Your list seems to have a common theme of large-ish AWD sendans. There's certainly better options than the GS, but all of those cars are going to have similar "heavy AWD car" driving dynamics, at least to some extent. If you want confidence inspiring and "easy" to push hard, the GTI is probably your best bet of your options so far. Or a miata of some variety, but that doesn't really fit any of your other requirements. Not saying that one of those cars isn't necessarily the best all around answer, but make sure you do some research and test driving, and keep in mind that the way a car drives on a dealer test drive might not be how it drives at the limit of grip on autocross tires.
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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2017, 02:51:30 PM »

I was wondering why nobody had mentioned the base WRX yet.

Some other advice: you at least implied that you wanted to get her into something less barge-y and more confidence inspiring. Your list seems to have a common theme of large-ish AWD sendans. There's certainly better options than the GS, but all of those cars are going to have similar "heavy AWD car" driving dynamics, at least to some extent. If you want confidence inspiring and "easy" to push hard, the GTI is probably your best bet of your options so far. Or a miata of some variety, but that doesn't really fit any of your other requirements. Not saying that one of those cars isn't necessarily the best all around answer, but make sure you do some research and test driving, and keep in mind that the way a car drives on a dealer test drive might not be how it drives at the limit of grip on autocross tires.

Those are good points too.  Because this will also end up being my daily driver, AWD is a very nice option in the winter time.  It's also nice on the course.  Unfortunately the number of AWD options are small so it ends up pushing you towards the more bargey options.  The options I listed are a little less bargey than the GS because they weigh around 500lbs. less but I agree with your assessment.

The base WRX gives us a lot more options.  I'll add it to the list.  The GTI is FWD and I would like to go a different direction than that particular one.
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2017, 04:46:23 PM »


The best cars with an automatic for autox are the new Mustang, Camaro, GTI, and GT3.  I'll try to think of more.


Here is the 2017 list of car classing.
https://dk1xgl0d43mu1.cloudfront.net/user_files/scca/downloads/000/037/724/2017-8-25-appendix-A-automobile-classes.pdf?1503699267

The previous GT3 had paddle shifters(PDK)991.1, but current GT3's, 997 GT3 and 996 GT3's are manual Trans (except the 991.2 GT3 RS's which is even more of a track car than a standard GT3)
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2017, 02:20:59 PM »

I am not concerned about any reliability issues with the evo. Not sure what you have heard. Everyone rags on the SST trans. If you change the fluid every 15-20k miles and don't go wild increasing tq it is fine. Trans will overheat on a track because they put a fog light in front of the trans cooler. Take off fog light at track and trans doesn't overheat.

You can check out mine anytime. I really think the biggest issue will be significantly worse creature comforts compared to your current Lexus.

It is not competitive nationally but that was not important during my search process
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2017, 02:47:27 PM »

I am not concerned about any reliability issues with the evo. Not sure what you have heard. Everyone rags on the SST trans. If you change the fluid every 15-20k miles and don't go wild increasing tq it is fine. Trans will overheat on a track because they put a fog light in front of the trans cooler. Take off fog light at track and trans doesn't overheat.

You can check out mine anytime. I really think the biggest issue will be significantly worse creature comforts compared to your current Lexus.

It is not competitive nationally but that was not important during my search process

I think the only concerns I have with Mitsubishi reliability are probably more based on the inconsistencies between models.  Some manufacturers seem to have differing quality standards depending on which model you buy or even which variation on the model (e.g. Ford).  In some cases (e.g. Volkswagen) it even depends on where it was built.  A German Volkswagen seems to have a higher level of quality than a Mexican Volkswagen.

I'm not as concerned about creature comforts since the Lexus was my first nice car since I was used to driving the beater while the wife and kids drove the primary family vehicle that needed to be nicer.  Mostly this conversation is almost about availability of the best option.  I'm getting cold feet on the plain WRX because if I don't get one that's 2015 or newer then I have two sets of spare wheels (and something that would hold my RE71's) that become useless.  But if I get the 2015 or newer then I get a smaller engine and other limits.  So many things to decide.
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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2017, 01:12:25 AM »

Re: the WRX. If you get one make sure it's 2015 or newer. Don't let the 2.0 vs 2.5 thing get to you, the turbo is closer to the exhaust ports on the newer cars. The car is better than the previous generation. If I had to have a combo DD/AX car, it's likely what I would have right now.
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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2017, 07:27:39 AM »

Re: the WRX. If you get one make sure it's 2015 or newer. Don't let the 2.0 vs 2.5 thing get to you, the turbo is closer to the exhaust ports on the newer cars. The car is better than the previous generation. If I had to have a combo DD/AX car, it's likely what I would have right now.

I had come to the conclusion of a 2015 or newer as well. My reason was that they are more readily available and the wheels have a 5x114.3 bolt pattern and I already have a set of wheels that I can put a set of RE71's on for racing.  Your point just adds to the the good reasons.
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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2017, 11:13:45 AM »

2015 WRX owner here. It's a nice daily driver. The CVT Transmission setup looks like it could be enjoyable as well, but I've never driven one. Good luck finding a good deal on a used one though. I find that the best deals on WRXs are new, because they hols value so well. Why pay $22k for one that's 3 years old with 40k miles, when you could get a new one with full warranty for under $26k?
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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2017, 05:07:50 PM »

Well, shopping is complete.  2018 WRX Premium with the Recaro seating option it is.  Blue Pearl.  I won't pick it up until after the next points event because Tami needs to finish one more weekend of driving and she's more comfortable with an automatic.  However, she has pretty much picked up driving a manual almost immediately.  Just a few kinks to work through but she practically has it figured it out.

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2017, 05:24:04 PM »

Just make sure the 5x114 wheels you have are legal for Street class if that is where you want to run it. Would suck to get bumped to ST class just because your wheels are the wrong width or the wrong offset.
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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2017, 05:30:17 PM »

They are the same width as the stock wheels and are definitely within a few mm of the stock wheels.  If I can't use them then I'll figure out where else they could be useful.

They are the same width as the stock wheels and are definitely within a few mm of the stock wheels.  If I can't use them then I'll figure out where else they could be useful.

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 06:00:23 PM »

Good looking car!
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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2017, 06:12:35 PM »

Thanks for the help everyone.  We got something a bit different than I originally intended and I'm glad I heard what everyone had to say.  The regular WRX in the 2018 form felt every bit as quick as a 2011 STI.  The only real difference seemed to be a slightly stiffer suspension but I'm not even sure about that.  It really makes me wonder why I'm even bothering with the T-Bird.
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2017, 06:18:32 PM »

Congrats! Looks great, love that blue. If Subaru hadn't stopped making the WRX in a hatchback for the latest generation we probably would have gotten one instead of our FoST a couple of years ago, despite our previous poor experience with a turbo Subaru.
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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2017, 08:33:23 PM »

Just make sure the 5x114 wheels you have are legal for Street class if that is where you want to run it. Would suck to get bumped to ST class just because your wheels are the wrong width or the wrong offset.

It has nothing to do with the above point, but it is messed up that you can run more wheel in street than in STX, for this particular vehicle.
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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2017, 08:38:34 PM »

Tell me more about that.  The stock wheel options for this car are 18x8.5.  Are you saying that STX puts more restrictions on that?
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2017, 09:00:12 PM »

Tell me more about that.  The stock wheel options for this car are 18x8.5.  Are you saying that STX puts more restrictions on that?
AWD cars in STX are restricted to an 8" wide wheel, while FWD or RWD cars can use a 9" wide wheel. AWD STX cars are also limited to a 245 wide tire, while 2WD STX cars can run up to a 265 wide tire. The hot setup for a DS WRX as I recall is a 17x8.5 wheel with a 255/40 tire. Both wider than an STX WRX could run.
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2017, 09:25:01 PM »

Tell me more about that.  The stock wheel options for this car are 18x8.5.  Are you saying that STX puts more restrictions on that?
AWD cars in STX are restricted to an 8" wide wheel, while FWD or RWD cars can use a 9" wide wheel. AWD STX cars are also limited to a 245 wide tire, while 2WD STX cars can run up to a 265 wide tire. The hot setup for a DS WRX as I recall is a 17x8.5 wheel with a 255/40 tire. Both wider than an STX WRX could run.

Weird.  Looks like 18x8 is an option on the car but the WRX Premium comes with 18x8.5 on 245's. 

Of course we are really only running in OVR and National events aren't really on the radar for us at this point.  I've explained to Tami that she isn't really competing locally in D Street but really competing in Street AWD and that group is a tough group so she has opted for Ladies instead.  Of course then she's competing against Tonya in a built 2004 STI so she's got an uphill battle there.  Of course, that's kind of how I understand it all anyway.
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« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2017, 05:14:34 PM »

^^That... For sure, I would be running the 17x8.5 and 255/40-17 combo on a DS WRX. It is nuts that is more than what it is allowed in STX...

FWIW, Tonya is pretty tired of running by herself. She ran ladies because STU kind of dropped off around here, and she figured some of the other ladies would run ladies too, but most don't.
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« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2017, 05:21:35 PM »

^^That... For sure, I would be running the 17x8.5 and 255/40-17 combo on a DS WRX. It is nuts that is more than what it is allowed in STX...

FWIW, Tonya is pretty tired of running by herself. She ran ladies because STU kind of dropped off around here, and she figured some of the other ladies would run ladies too, but most don't.

Well, Tami is either up against Patrick and Brian in Street AWD or up against Tonya in that killer STI.  Although, once Tami learns to drive the new car and she continues to learn I think she'll give Tonya a run for her money in Ladies eventually.  If we could get Donna Jo and many of the other ladies to run in the Ladies class it could be interesting.  I'll send Tami on that assignment.
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« Reply #45 on: September 24, 2017, 09:45:12 PM »

...Could just run open index
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« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2017, 09:46:07 PM »

...Could just run open index

You'll have to explain to me what that means.  I'm new here.  Wink
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« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2017, 10:52:55 PM »

DS/stock awd.

I also agree that keeping out stock is the right move, especially if you're only planning on running ovr events and street driving it.
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« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2017, 11:02:06 PM »

DS/stock awd.

I also agree that keeping out stock is the right move, especially if you're only planning on running ovr events and street driving it.

That's the plan for now.  My modified car is the T-Bird and while it's not going to be as fast as this car in current form, it's enough to contend with for now.  Although, there is this in the works for the T-Bird: https://photos.app.goo.gl/j1OgRulsM3pWToi12
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« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2017, 09:56:01 AM »

...Could just run open index

You'll have to explain to me what that means.  I'm new here.  Wink

If somebody doesn't have anyone to run against in a specific street or ladies class, they can always run the normal street index or pax classes.
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« Reply #50 on: September 25, 2017, 10:05:39 AM »

...Could just run open index

You'll have to explain to me what that means.  I'm new here.  Wink

If somebody doesn't have anyone to run against in a specific street or ladies class, they can always run the normal street index or pax classes.

OK, I see.  Well, we'll worry about becoming better drivers before we worry about who we have to be faster than.  Smiley
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« Reply #51 on: October 10, 2017, 06:44:23 PM »

I'd consider the Civic Sport Hatch. 18" wheels, Nearly as much power as the Si, and the paddle shifters tame the CVT nicely. It's also a delightful car to live with as a daily. I get 42mph on the freeway with my Sedan.

It's also a good 10-15k cheaper than most of the cars mentioned in the list.  Roll Eyes
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